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Neo Pikachu
06-16-2009, 03:11 PM
I don't know if everyone here has heard the news, but here it is. This is quoted from News24.

A force known as orbital chaos may cause our Solar System to go haywire, leading to a possible collision between Earth and Venus or Mars, according to a study released on Wednesday.

The good news is that the likelihood of such a smash-up is small, around one-in-2500. And even if the planets did careen into one another, it would not happen before another 3.5 billion years.

Indeed, there is a 99% chance that the Sun's posse of planets will continue to circle in an orderly pattern throughout the expected life span of our life-giving star, another five billion years, the study found.

After that, the Sun will likely expand into a red giant, engulfing Earth and its other inner planets - Mercury, Venus and Mars - in the process.

Astronomers have long been able to calculate the movement of planets with great accuracy hundreds, even thousands of years in advance. This is how eclipses have been predicted.

But peering further into the future of celestial mechanics with exactitude is still beyond our reach, said Jacques Laskar, a researcher at the Observatoire de Paris and lead author of the study.

"The most precise long-term solutions for the orbital motion of the Solar System are not valid over more than a few tens of millions of years," he said in an interview.

Using powerful computers, Laskar and colleague Mickael Gastineau generated numerical simulations of orbital instability over the next five billion years.

Unlike previous models, they took into account Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity. Over a short time span, this made little difference, but over the long haul it resulted in dramatically different orbital paths.

'Life would cease to exist'

The researchers looked at 2 501 possible scenarios, 25 of which ended with a severely disrupted Solar System.

"There is one scenario in which Mars passes very close to Earth," 794 kilometres to be exact, said Laskar. "When you come that close, it is almost the same as a collision because the planets gets torn apart."

Life on Earth, if there still were any, would almost certainly cease to exist.

To get a more fine-grained view of how this might unfold, Laskar and Gastineau ran an additional two hundred computer models, slightly changing the path of Mars each time.

All but five of them ended in a two-way collision involving the Sun, Earth, Mercury, Venus or Mars. A quarter of them saw Earth smashed to pieces. The key to all the scenarios of extreme orbital chaos was the rock closest to the Sun, found the study, published in the British journal Nature.

"Mercury is the trigger, and would be the first planet to be destabilised because it has the smallest mass," explained Laskar.

At some point Mercury's orbit would get into resonance with that of Jupiter, throwing the smaller orb even more out of kilter, he said. Once this happens, the so-called "angular momentum" from the much larger Jupiter would wreak havoc on the other inner planets' orbits too.

"The simulations indicate that Mercury, in spite of its diminutive size, poses the greatest risk to our present order," noted University of California scientist Gregory Laughlin in a commentary, also published in Nature.

- AFP
Some people around where I live have been panicking about this, but the question I want to know is, are you?

Winter
06-16-2009, 03:19 PM
We are all going to leave this earth at some point so I wouldn't be too worried however the advanced thought of this happening is rather interesting.

FreezeWarp
06-16-2009, 03:31 PM
Well, essentially what this study is saying is that a billion or so years in the future Mars or Venus could collide with Earth. This is basically just an early dooms-day scenario to what is already known; in about 5 billion years, the sun will double in size, sucking in both Mercury and Venus, while also leaving earth scorched to the rock. After wards, the sun would calm down, and shrink to only a small rock (that is, in comparison to how big the sun normally is).

So, in esscense, unless you are trying to live a billion years more than you should, there is nothing to worry about, and even then the chance is miniscule. Possible, but miniscule.


The study is very interesting, though. I had never heard of such cosmic instability ever being possible.

Neo Pikachu
06-16-2009, 03:41 PM
Well, essentially what this study is saying is that a billion or so years in the future Mars or Venus could collide with Earth. This is basically just an early dooms-day scenario to what is already known; in about 5 billion years, the sun will double in size, sucking in both Mercury and Venus, while also leaving earth scorched to the rock. After wards, the sun would calm down, and shrink to only a small rock (that is, in comparison to how big the sun normally is).

So, in esscense, unless you are trying to live a billion years more than you should, there is nothing to worry about, and even then the chance is miniscule. Possible, but miniscule.


The study is very interesting, though. I had never heard of such cosmic instability ever being possible.

Yeah. That's what I've attempted to explain to all my friends who were worried about this. Everyone who is alive right now, will more than likely be already dead before that happens. If it even happens in the future.

I just find the whole thing interesting though. :P

That's also the reason I decided to show it to everyone here.

Red Globe
06-16-2009, 05:26 PM
No. Global warning'll kill us faster ;D

The Most Awesome Jared
06-16-2009, 06:51 PM
No. Global warning'll kill us faster ;D

No, I will >:D

Shadow
06-17-2009, 03:56 AM
I am not in the least worried about this collision, since we will all be dead :D
Anyways, as everyone said, the thought of this is very interesting XD

Palmo
07-24-2009, 10:49 AM
I am not in the least worried about this collision, since we will all be dead
Anyways, as everyone said, the thought of this is very interesting XD

Why a happy face by death thats crazy

FreezeWarp
07-27-2009, 09:50 PM
Why a happy face by death thats crazy

More or less because nobody will have to worry about it for a few million years.

Red Globe
07-28-2009, 03:37 AM
So we don't care about the fact that our race will have to face a disaster in a few million years? We won't even try thinking of a way to stop that? Just the fact that we won't live enough to see that, so it doesn't matter if it happens?

The Most Awesome Jared
07-28-2009, 07:33 AM
Not really.

FreezeWarp
07-28-2009, 11:21 AM
So we don't care about the fact that our race will have to face a disaster in a few million years? We won't even try thinking of a way to stop that? Just the fact that we won't live enough to see that, so it doesn't matter if it happens?

Well, even if it could be stopped, only a billion or so years later (not a lot in comparison), either of the two already known dooms-day scenarios would occur anyway.

Scenario One (Oldest, Not Possible For Any Life on Earth) - The sun will grow to massive size, swallow Mercury and Venus, and fry the earth like a French Fry.

Scenario Two (Newer, Entire Earth Could Survive) - Around the time of Scenario One, possibly a little earlier, the Milky Way and Andromeda will collide. Unlike scenario one, the earth could remain intact, and if it weren't for Scenario One, there would be some da** beautiful nights. This one also does not come with a guarantee, scenario one does.

Over 9,000 Superkowz
08-01-2009, 12:36 AM
Meh, I don't ever believe those narb scientists, because most of their theories are based on time. They say the earth is like, 10 billion years old. I say 10,000.

Palmo
08-01-2009, 03:16 AM
More or less because nobody will have to worry about it for a few million years.

we will be dead dont you care about your life damn its our life not theirs
get real people you sound so damn stupid!!

Red Globe
08-01-2009, 03:26 AM
More or less because nobody will have to worry about it for a few million years.

we will be dead dont you care about your life damn its our life not theirs
get real people you sound so damn stupid!!


FACEFIST


Because facepalm doesn't quite cut it.

First of all, that's millions of years due to happen so there's some very good chances that we'll be wiped out before that.

To stop global warming, I suppose that we shall have to develop some new technology which will lead to us developing more technology which also means in the future if humans survive it's quite possible that we'll be driving around in spaceships.

That also means that they'll have more chances to develop something to stop this event, and they have millions of years to come up with a solution for that.

Also,

it's millions of years away so people have a very good reason not to give a flying pickle about it.

Palmo
08-01-2009, 03:29 AM
so what about the 2012 predictions there are like 9 of them

Red Globe
08-01-2009, 06:58 AM
The quantity only proves that they're all bullshit speculations also we are not discussing 2012 speculations here~

Over 9,000 Superkowz
08-03-2009, 10:29 AM
I'll believe this... when it happens.

FreezeWarp
08-03-2009, 12:16 PM
Meh, I don't ever believe those narb scientists, because most of their theories are based on time. They say the earth is like, 10 billion years old. I say 10,000.

Humans have been around for far longer. :P

we will be dead dont you care about your life damn its our life not theirs get real people you sound so damn stupid!!

Humans have only been around for 2 million years; the occurrence of this event is over a thousand times that in the future.

so what about the 2012 predictions there are like 9 of them

I'm not sure a single one is based on actual science. I've never believed in fore-warned events written in ancient texts; would anybody listen to something written 100 years ago?

The Most Awesome Jared
08-03-2009, 12:59 PM
would anybody listen to something written 100 years ago?

Stupid people...

Over 9,000 Superkowz
08-06-2009, 04:00 PM
Humans have been around for far longer. :P



Humans have only been around for 2 million years; the occurrence of this event is over a thousand times that in the future.



I'm not sure a single one is based on actual science. I've never believed in fore-warned events written in ancient texts; would anybody listen to something written 100 years ago?


Read the Bible... :D

The Most Awesome Jared
08-06-2009, 04:40 PM
Humans will most likely either kill themselves off or evolve into a new species long before that time.

Over 9,000 Superkowz
08-07-2009, 10:20 PM
Evolution is crap.

The Most Awesome Jared
08-08-2009, 08:59 AM
So is your face.

Over 9,000 Superkowz
08-08-2009, 09:08 AM
Ah well, I guess we just don't agree...

FreezeWarp
08-09-2009, 01:42 AM
I think I'ma gonna close this thread to avoid further fighting.