Which Attack?! -Pokemon Attack Discussion-

[Akai]

I wanted to start this on one main question: Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, or Poison Powder!? I always have a tough time choosing, mainly on Butterfree or Oddish. So... which is better: Sleep, Stun or Poison?

I'd have to say Sleep first, Poison in a close second, and Stun in third.

After this query is answered, we can discuss other Pokemon attacks.

[Alexi8945]

Stun spore is the best for catching pokemon, as it doesn't wear off in turns, slows down the opponent and has a chance of wasting turns. Poison Powder is second for me, as it drains HP, but I'd prefer Toxic over it (worsens over time). Sleep Powder is third, since it doesn't always hit and wears off after a while.

[Akai]

Yeah. I was mainly talking about those Pokemon that learn all three attacks "all at once" like Butterfree (Lvs 13, 14 ,15) and Oddish (Lvs 14, 16, 18). I know more attacks are better then those. Toxic > Poison Powder ; Thunder Wave > Stun Spore ; Sing > Sleep Powder. Haha.

[Alexi8945]

XP If you're planning on sticking with Oddish permanently, or even semi-permentantly (or ****, just through Misty), I'd say Stun Spore, just because it can give you edge in speed. Butterfree, maybe Poison Powder, just to give it an extra thing to worry about.

[Akai]

*nods* My Butterfree's getting the boot once I get a Nidoran(M). I can use Ranny's Poison Sting, and Poison Point to inflict pain. >=D

[Alexi8945]

Bwahaha, the Nidoran pwns all!! *power-drunken laugh*

Well, this is sorta an attack-related question: Do Pokemon only have four attacks in the anime? I rarely watch it and when I do, I don't pay that much attnetion. XP I really just need to know for my ficcage.

[Akai]

That's something I've been trying to watch for. As far as I can see, yes... although Pikachu can get away with maybe five. :P Remember that "School of Hard Knocks" episode? Pikachu used Bite, but ... it never offically learns it. The anime is weird.

[Blaziken]

Pokemon in the anime have more than 5 attacks. For example Ash's Sceptile knows Bullet Seed, Quick Attack, Slam or Pound/ Leaf Blade and Solarbeam. However some of these attacks are a one off thing like Pikachu's Bite. Its probably because of the generation change and that Pikachu forgot the attack eventually.

[Akai]

No. Pikachu can never learn Bite. You can't get to a level and learn it.... sadly. On Sceptile, I think he did forget some. You can't get a Pokemon, especially from a Treecko, and let him have that set moveset the entire series. That'll get boring.

[Alexi8945]

Hm, okay. Thanks. ^_^ Silly little anime, not being very coherent. *pets anime*

And why can't Pikachu learn bite? ._. Now how am I supposed to get Rabid!Pika?

[Akai]

I don't know, but in that episode Cubone is the CUTEST thing ever!!!

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/LittleRedCaboose/Random/Cubone.png http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/LittleRedCaboose/Random/Cubone2.png

He's too cute. :3

In the first picture, Bone Club... In the second, Fake Tears? Haha.

[Alexi8945]

Fake tears...or a cubone that needs its butt kicked. *shakes fist*

...XD

Cubone: So lonely...T_T

Alexi: Too bad! *pwns Cubone*

[HobbesI]

Actually, Sleep Powder is the best move out of those three for batting. For catching pokemon, Stun Spore is the best. Poison Powder is a really bad move, as the only type of poison that is good is Toxic's. But the three powders are not the best moves out there for inducing status conditions. As you said Akai, Thunder Wave beats Stun Spore, Toxic beats Poison Powder, but Sleep Powder is actually the best Sleep-Inducing move you'll find, next to Spore, which is rarely seen.

The Anime doesn't exactly care about if Pokemon can learn moves or not it seems like. The Anime also seems to abuse moves like 'tackle' and 'dodge', because it seems like all pokemon can learn them in the Anime. There are a lot of differences between the Anime and the games.

[Akai]

True. I think the "powder" attacks, are mainly for startled Oddish and Vileplume who have to paralyze or poison a character... It's weird.

[Brandon]

Actually, Sleep Powder is the best move out of those three for batting. For catching pokemon, Stun Spore is the best. Poison Powder is a really bad move, as the only type of poison that is good is Toxic's. But the three powders are not the best moves out there for inducing status conditions. As you said Akai, Thunder Wave beats Stun Spore, Toxic beats Poison Powder, but Sleep Powder is actually the best Sleep-Inducing move you'll find, next to Spore, which is rarely seen.
I agree. Though, any are usually effective, so it doesn't matter what you use, IMO.

[Akai]

What do you mean, it doesn't matter? If you use a Poison Powder on a one-time Legendary and it faints from it, it does matter. It'll be best to put it to sleep... or at least paralyze it. Freezing works too, but there's not a Freeze Powder. Haha. (That would be an awesome Ice attack.)

[Alexi8945]

Hah, powder...

I prefer Yawn to any other sleep-inducing attack, despite the fact it takes two turns. Unfortunately, it makes me yawn all the time...>_< But I like it for Nightmare/Dream Eater purposes. That's just Alexi. :D

...Is there a damaging sleep-inducing attack?

[Blaziken]

I doubt it but you can't really say whichever powder is the best. It all just comes down to how the person using it likes to inflict. Personally I like to paralyze opponets so Stun Psore is just my choice then Sleep Powder. That's just one's strategy in battling and catching pokemon. However I respect your opinions.

[Akai]

Hmm. Would Snore qualify? Or Sleep Talk?

[Blaziken]

Those moves a more for simply having fun than competive battling. There are 3 basic reason why. 1. Snore lacks in power and isn't worth using when pokemon can awken from sleep straight away with item. 2. Sleep Talk is too unpredictable and risky. 3. Rest for some pokemon is the only recovery move they have and people don't want to waste it. It is also the easiest way to activate those moves to.
Personally I used to use those moves and I still like to but for sompetive battling, not really.

[Akai]

Geez. I was just answering this. RELAX!!

...Is there a damaging sleep-inducing attack?

[Blaziken]

Sorry, I usually do get carried away with stuff like this.

[Akai]

When I was doing a chart on the Legendaries and their "feature" move... I came across a lot of Draco Meter. What does it do? Is it really that great?

[Blaziken]

It's like Overheat but only dragon pokemon can learn it. This excludes pokemon who are similar to dragons like Charizard but aren't dragon typed. The move has to be taught by a move tutor. Also an Arseus holding Draco Plate can learn it as well.

[Akai]

That sounds really boring.

Ohh. Here's something I notice each time I play: Surf. In each version the attack is different. It goes from half rain/ half Hydro Pump in Red/Blue to an actual wave in D/P. That move really evolved.

[Alexi8945]

Surf pwns! It's got more PP and accuracy than Hydropump and almost as strong. ^_^ And yeah, it has evolved. I loooved the battle animation in Red/Blue, though. <3

[Akai]

It is a little weird seeing it. First there's a little rain, then the Hydro Pump sprinkler things shooting up... I like (I think it's) Gold and Silver, with the rising water.

[Alexi8945]

Heh, that's cool, too. But I always loved the random raindrops. XP

I like how Fire Blast basically has not changed at all.

[Akai]

Yeah... Why does it make that 5 pointed star thing? I never understood that. Can it really make Pikachu into the world's cutest lava lamp? Haha.

[Alexi8945]

I think it's meant to be a star or a weird sort of pentagram...or something. o.O All Arcanine are pagans! No wonder Alexi loves them...<3

Pika lava lamp? I want one! :3

[Akai]

>_> That's what was said in the episode. Haha.

I like Screech... the old screech. Remember that? Instead of the wussy version now, it really use to be a screech.

[Alexi8945]

Yeah, and it would grate on your nerves. Builds character! Back when Pokemon was MANLY.

Now it's like....totally unScreech-like. D:

I find Brine looks strange. o.O I mean, a brine is something that sits for months on end...but that looks just like a spray.

[Akai]

Brine (I think what they're shooting for) is sea/salt water, so the mist you see it plausible.

[Alexi8945]

Hm...And it does more damage when the HP is down because the salt gets in the wounds. XP Not that it's a bad attack, it's just weird.

Going back to surf, who else is annoyed that it hits your teammate in double battles in DP?

[Akai]

Slightly. That's why Protect isn't a bad attack. Could save you.

[Alexi8945]

Yeah, but it's better for Earthquake, and plus it fails if used in succession. :( Out of all the things they had to make sense with, why did it have to be Surf?! Argh.

You know what could make a cool HM? Ride. It would be like the bike, but you would have to use a pokemon, and it'd be free. XP Pokemon like ponyta and doduo could learn it. In-battle, it would be like a stampede, and have a high critical hit ratio.

Alexi has too much free time.

[Akai]

Alexi is bringing in other thread's ideas. :) Tis okay. I like it. They are still attacks... though not real ones.

Ride is cool. Maybe that could replace the bike.... and maybe a contest could be formed. Like a race. The more of something (a berry or whatever) the faster your Pokemon goes.

[Alexi8945]

Alexi smells a minigame...:D If they can have Rock Climb, they can have Ride. *nod*

Hm...Which is worse: Flash or Defog?

[Akai]

Hmm. I'd have to say Defog. With Flash, you have a change for the enemies attack to miss.

[Alexi8945]

Yeah, true, and Defog...lowers evasiveness? Um... *sweatdrop* Kinda like Sweet Scent...but not as cool. And on the field, it pretty much does the same thing Flash did in caves. Seems like a step backwards, to me. Good thing for HM slaves!

[Akai]

Poor Bibarel... Heh. *jabs with stick*

Is Dive still an HM in D/P?

[Alexi8945]

Can I eat the Bibarel? *froths*

Um, I don't think it is. I mean, it isn't necessary, so I don't think it's an HM. I do know some pokemon that learn it naturally.

Is it just me, or is it so sadistic that Buneary, a pokemon that evolves through friendship, learns Frustration naturally? I just want to abuse it to make Frustration stronger...but then it never evolves. :(

[HobbesI]

I don't see why Nintendo ever made frustration. You shouldn't use it, because whats the real point? Every step you take, every battle you do, raises the pokemon's happiness. It's just too much of a chore to keep the pokemon's happiness down. You should try using Return.

[Akai]

If they have Frustration, they should also have the "Evil Whip" so you can keep that Happiness down. Maybe they can include "Insult" to battling, so when that Pokemon comes out, you can say, "Good job, idiot! My Grandmother can do better!" or "Hey! You fell in something. Oh, wait... that's your face!" Haha!

[HobbesI]

Yeah, I think that it'd be a good idea if there was a hold item that wouldn't let your pokemon's happiness raise. That would make it a lot easier for Frustration.

[Alexi8945]

XD at Akai. I would LOVE to verbally abuse pokemon. XDXD;;; Hey, they could put the mic to work after all. :D

Does anyone else think that Chimchar having the move "hurl" is amusing? I mean, now they just need a hold item called, "poo." That would be awesome. :D

[Akai]

XD at Alexi, now. Poo... Well, there is "poo everywhere"! Go, Chimchar, Flaming Poo attack! *Char Charr!*

Well... shall we talk about 5th generation moves? Ride and Stampede sound good.

[HobbesI]

I'm not so sure about Ride, but Stampede sounds good. I just can't see how Ride is used in battle.

I think that they should use the mic. more in the 5th gen. The only usage of the mic. in diamond and pearl I know of is Chatot's move, chatter. You could record your voice on it, and depending on how loud you spoke into the microphone, the damage of it goes higher.

[Alexi8945]

:D

You could record your voice on it, and depending on how loud you spoke into the microphone, the damage of it goes higher.

Are you smerious? I haven't used Chatot yet, but my friend did. The volume affects the damage? By how much?

Oh, man, don't get me started on 5th gen moves. Drown, Smack, Spray, Chew. I love making up moves!

[HobbesI]

I remember we used to have a thread for that... but anyways, yeah, that's how Chatter works. I think it may maximum, but yes. The volume of the recording effects the damage of the move entirely.

[Akai]

Let's revive this thread a-fore it dies...

Aerial Ace - Not just for Flying Pokemon?

Splash - Useless move?

The Elemental Hyperbeams - Over hyped?

Let's discuss.

[Alexi8945]

Aerial Ace - Well, Absol uses it. What is it exactly, a slash of wind? I dunno...

Splash is a useless move, but it was supposed to be for Magikarp only, since all it does it...splash. o.O I can see why Wailmer knows it, since it lives in water and...splashes. But Wynaut? Well...why not? XD

I love the elemental hyper beams, so leave me alone. B-[

[Akai]

Hoppip can do Splash too. =/ I think it should do something, like lower evasion or defense...

Aerial Ace can be used by a lot of non-Flying Pokemon, which is good, I guess.

[Delibird Edgemaster]

The elemental hyper beams need to be avaliable ot more pokemon besides the last evolves of the starter pokemon...

Splash should do something... I dont know why its even in the game.... Struggles a better move.

[Alexi8945]

Splash doesn't need to do anything, but it should be taken from those pokemon that don't really live in water and well...splash. o.O

Does anyone use Momento? It sounds really pointless.

[Akai]

Does anyone use Momento? It sounds really pointless.

First off, it's Mememto (makes it easier to find, haha), and second it really is pointless. It makes your Pokemon faint, BUT lowers your opponent's Attack and Sp.Attack by 2.

[Alexi8945]

Oh my, lowered by TWO points?! Get me that attack straight away! *kicks Grimer* Worthless. *pwns Grimer into oblivion*

Um...Do you know what Extrasensory (sp?) does?

[Akai]

*looks in big book o' attacks*

10% chance of making you opponent flinch. Also disables that attack for a turn.

[Alexi8945]

Oh my...how...exciting. Bronzor just got a little more sucky. >_<

[Akai]

Bronzor, eh? Steel-Psychic, hm.. It's only at Lv 19. It'll get better.

Psychic, Flash Cannon, Shadow Ball, Earthquake.

Extrasensory does 80 damage, so it's not all that bad. Psychic does 90, and it's the "best" attack.

[Alexi8945]

Bronzor and Bronzong (sp?) are just a waste of space in my opnion. *punts Bronzor* *hurts foot* x_X

What is the best attack?

[Akai]

That depends. Which Pokemon/type are you talking about?

[Alexi8945]

Just overall. (pretty hard question, eh? XP)

[Akai]

*curses you*

This is just my opinion...

Fire= Flamethrower
Water= Surf
Grass= Seed Bomb (Soloarbeam, only when it can be used in one turn)
Electric= Thunderbolt
Flying= Fly (Chatter, if it were avaliable for more Pokemon)
Ghost= Shadowball
Normal= Rock Climb
Fighting= Aura Sphere
Dark= Dark Pulse
Psychic= Psychic (raise the max PP)
Bug= X Scissor
Steel= Flash Cannon
Rock= Rock Slide
Ground= Earthquake
Dragon= Dragon Pulse
Ice= Ice Beam
Poison= Poison Fang

[Blaziken]

No offense but that list means nothing in the 4th generation mainly because of the battling changes. There are both physical and special fire attacks so Flaethrower isn't always the best choice if looking for a fire attack, depending on the pokemon you're using.

[Akai]

As I said before, PLEASE READ, "This is just my opinion"...

There are just as many attacks as Pokemon, even more.

[Akai]

*strolling down memory lane*

Remember when Gust and Bite were Normal attacks?

[Akai]

Why is this closed? It still has another month, well two now. XP

[Brandon]

Because you bumped 4 weeks ago.

[Akai]

Brandon, please don't spam. =P

Ooh ooh!! I'm loving some new D/P attacks.

Embargo. If you can predict the future, or have extremely good guesses, you can use it. Some Pokemon have berries. I'd use it for the Pokemon League. I kind of wished it was an Ability, instead of an attack.

[3speon]

*strolling down memory lane*

Remember when Gust and Bite were Normal attacks?

I remember. I'm playing through Yellow again for the heck of it, and I was afraid to send out my Lv. 8 metapod against Lv. 3 pidgey because I forgot that Gust used to be normal. xD I was scared that the big bad pidgey would huff and puff and blow my poor cocoon away, especially with metapod's horrible attack. My metapod wouldn't be able to hit it at all! :P

[Akai]

*is jealous* Your Yellow still works. I need to replace the batteries.

What about the Embargo thing?

[3speon]

Hmm. For Embargo, in some cases it would be good as an ability. For example, if you have a Pokemon that can take a lot of damage and do just as much, it can be an ability. But when that Pokemon faints, the ability ceases to work. If you have a weaker Pokemon, however, you might want it as a move.

Example: The ability Shadow Tag stops working when the Pokemon with the ability faints. Thus, Pokemon are able to flee from battle. But the move Taunt stays, even when the Pokemon is switched out or faints, if I'm assuming correctly from my knowledge.

Thus, a weak Pokemon would want Embargo as a move, since it would last longer, and a strong one would want it as an ability, since they aren't likely to go anywhere.

[Akai]

That's kinda like Synchronize, when you can copy the status of your Pokemon.

I like the Dark Pulse attack. Everything gets all grey, and suddenly, BAM!! Explosion.

[3speon]

Hehe. I think this has been said before, but I love how Surf is finally a wave in D/P. I mean, it always used to just seem like a flood came or something. But in D/P, it's actually a wave that rears up and then crashes.

[Akai]

Yes. But the downside, now your partner in a two on two battle gets hurt to. v_v

[3speon]

Yeah... that doesn't make much sense, though. If you're sending a wave at them, and your partner is next to you, how do they get hurt at all? If they get hurt, it would make more sense if you got hurt, too. Unless the wave hates your partner and decided to go backwards on purpose. >.>

[Scizor-kun]

Yeah that's the reason...
in PBR the move shadow sneak, or shadow something, I forgot, anyways looked like shadow possesion justsu.

[Akai]

Well, if you use Surf, you are actually summoning water and surfing a huge wave at your enemies. Your partner was just in the wrong place in the wrong time. I remember seeing an episode, a two on two battle. One used Surf and the other used Protect.

[3speon]

Your partner was just in the wrong place in the wrong time.

Every single time? O.o Can't they just step back or something? xD

[Akai]

You don't understand. Surf is a HUGE tital wave that swamps the entire battlefield.

[Scizor-kun]

Your partner should know it's coming.
"Prinplup, use surf!"=Maybe I should get out of the way...

[Akai]

x__x GUYS!! You CANNOT avoid Surf!!!

It's like a tsunami. You can't see it coming and step aside.

[Akai]

*bump?*

I was thinking. There's a Fire, Water, and Grass Elemental hyper beam. Should there me more for the other types?

[Alexi8945]

No, that would just be lame. Think of all the n00bs that would throw those on their pokemon for NetBattle.

[Kaboom]

... and get mashed when they rest?

[Akai]

Aw come on... Think of the ridiculous names.

Ghost hyper beam: Polter-Boom!
Ice hyper beam: Big Freeze!
Poison hyper beam: Arsenic Attack!

[Kaboom]

lol... Arsenic Attack... xDDD
How about: Flying type: Feather Puff

[Akai]

Feather Puff!? O_O;; (Power Puff girls)

[Alexi8945]

"And now for my pokemon's best attack. Prepare to lose! Pidgeot, use Feather Puff!"

Opponent: ...Feather Puff? Really?

...Yeah, somehow, no one would fear that attack.

[Akai]

Maybe if it was called Gale Force or something. Feather Puff sounds like something a Swablu poops out.

[Kaboom]

lol, 'twas just a thought.

[Akai]

"Swablu! Feather Puff!"

*poot*

Trainer: =__=;;

Announcer: The red side used Feather Puff... The field, UGH! It smells horrible!

[HobbesI]

Looool!

But back to the beforementioned topic, I don't think that there should be any more. Actually, I really don't think that the elemental hyper beams should have spread out of the original starters. They had their signature moves, and now all of the starters have them.

[Akai]

Agreed. Elemental hyper beams are bad.

If there was one for every type, Arceus could learn them all. :D And thus, the Pokemon God can become weak! lol

[HobbesI]

Lol, Nintendo is creating noobish moves so people can use them to weaken their legendaries. First we have Draco Meteor then...

Aura of Darkness!

[Akai]

Draco Meter to me: (From a scale from 1 to 10)

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/hanhan1707/Draco%20Icons/thpoa20.jpg TWO

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/hanhan1707/Draco%20Icons/draco8.jpg SEVEN

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/hanhan1707/Draco%20Icons/thdracosnape2.jpg TEN!! (Got's Snape. :p)

[HobbesI]

:D

Hm, would Giga Impact and Rock Wrecker be counted as the Physical type's hyper beams?

[Akai]

Hard to say. =/ Other than the original Hyper Beam, the others have to be taught by someone (for some reason).

[Charizard9999]

Yeah... Why does it make that 5 pointed star thing? I never understood that. Can it really make Pikachu into the world's cutest lava lamp? Haha.

the reason that Fire Blast makes a 5 pointed star when you use it is because the star is the Japanese symbol for fire. A friend told me, im not japanese or anything but thats why it makes a star when its used. I love Draco Meteor's animation, th0. A bunch of meteors fall on your opponent from the sky; i think thats awesome.

[Akai]

Oh? I thought the fire symbol for fire was this: http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/missrobynh/Japanese/japanesefire.gif

It's not really a star, but it does have the five points.

BTW, this is from a while ago. You kinda bumped this thread. =/